An important conversation about the human body, healing and pain, with Santiago Rojas (Colombia), a Colombian doctor dedicated to palliative care and grief management. He has also studied Homeopathy and Flower Therapy with the PHI Group in Aix in Provence (France) and at the Edward Bach School of Flower Therapists in Buenos Aires (Argentina). He has lectured on personal growth, terminal patient and grief support, and on the use of alternative therapies in countries such as Germany, Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Spain, Peru, Poland and Venezuela, among others. He currently has his doctor's office in Bogotá, where he treats terminal patients and patients with degenerative diseases. He is also a writer, university teacher, lecturer and presenter of the programme Sanamente, on health and wellbeing, which is broadcast daily on Caracol Radio. In conversation with Vanessa de la Torre.