Claudio Naranjo is a world expert in Gestalt therapy and one of the pioneers of Transpersonal Psychology. In his discussion with Jorge Alberto Llano García, he will talk about the path taken in recent years as regards education. His goal is to train educators in self-knowledge and spiritual transformation as has been described in the great epics of both the East, such as the Bhagavad Gita, and the West, like The Epic of Gilgamesh and The Odyssey. Claudio Naranjo is working to make education an engine for a wider transformation: that of society as a whole.