The great French thinker Edgar Morin, celebrates 100 years of life in 2021. His ideas about the so-called Complex Thought are more relevant than ever before. The writer of Seven Complex Lessons in Education for the Future and his most contemporary vision in Cambiemos de vía, lecciones de la pandemia will be part of this conversation about complexity in even more complex times. Juan Villoro, Mexican fiction writer, essayist, dramatist and journalist, winner of the Herralde Prize for his novel El testigo, and one of the most interesting voices in the Spanish-language literary panorama. He will talk to the French-Colombian philosopher Nelson Vallejo-Gómez, author of an essay about the construction of knowledge and the metamorphosis of disciplines in the work of Morin, about the importance of those seven lessons, with particular emphasis on the transformations and changes of paradigm that the global pandemic is bringing.